If you go with a 357 or 45 colt, you will have to buy specialty ammo to even be in the same ballpark as standard 44MAG ammo. The Ruger is a lot lighter and can be worn on a holster all day. I agree with the 44 Mag. They shoot a big hunk of lead and are very accurate. 200-255gr with 8-9gr Unique is a great plinkin load. DKScott EWB. The .357 Mag has rounds with more power than the max listed here for the 10mm. The 45 Colt brass is thinner walled, due to its' original design of being a black powder cartridge and therefore will not last as long as 44 Mag. Out to one hundred yards with a skilled shot, deer, coyotes, black bear and mule deer are in for a hot time when a .357 is sent their way. The only shots that will stop a black bear before it can do damage is the brainer or spine shot. Either one will do the job but if I can do better than adequate, I will. so my vote would be for the 45. You could get away with carrying one in colder weather, but not in the summer time. You can find used Smith & Wesson double action revolvers, especially the fine Mountain Gun occasionally and the Colt New Service. The Colt 45 and 44 Mag were tested durability by shooting 6000 bullets continuously for two days. There's no such alternative for the 45 Colt. If the .45 Colt was born to be big and slow (for maximum effect on organic targets), the .357 Magnum was, at least in terms of ballistic philosophy, intended to be the exact opposite. When the Glock G45 was released in 2018, no one really expected it. Similar to archery in that you need to get close. However, if cornered or attacked, use anything you have on hand at the time! Now this is a self defense gun on black bears only and at close range 10 to 15yds at most. If you go with a 357 or 45 colt, you will have to buy specialty ammo to even be in the same ballpark as standard 44MAG ammo. You can also get them in single action revolvers as well, and the odd semi auto pistol like the Desert Eagle or the Coonan. When it came to handgun hunting because few things in this world can argue with a heavy 250-grain slug nearly a half of an inch in diameter. You can get light loads comparable to .357's and .45's that still have more stopping power. Stick to 45 colt (heavy loads), or a 44 mag. Heres what its like to shoot them. I had two very close surprise black bear encounters this season - one while hunting and one while hiking. .357 mag may do in a pinch, but is marginal at best, and the critters we hunt deserve more respect than that, as far as I am concerned. Standard pressure 45 colt, as set by SAMMI is right at 45 ACP levels. how does a 45 colt compare with a 357 mag revolver for self defense from black bears and where would you place a shot? It should be noted that 45 Colts usually shoot bullets approximately .452-.454 in diameter and the 44 Mag shoots bullets .4295 - .431 in diameter. The problem that I am having is they don't make a 44 mag in a small frame. It is synonymous with power and the all-American philosophy, More is Better.. Like our muscle cars, it is big, hard to handle, and unapologetic. Get Guns.com offers and news, Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, The .45 Colt was introduced in 1873 as a black powder round for the, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2019 Guns.com. Agreed, a 44 magnum would be more effective for an overly inquisitive/aggresive bear but I had a lot of response recommending a 45 Colt. 44MAG in 240 JHP is available EVERYWHERE, where as the sepecialty ammo will have to be ordered way in advance, so it is not available on short notice if ammo is lost, forgotten, or takes the wrong plane. 357 magnum smokes both of those cartridges in all categories, except you could have a slightly larger meplat on a solid bullet in a 45. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a.357 Magnum round averages out to 530 ft-lb, while a.45 Colt (LC Long Colt) round averages out to about 500 ft-lb. JFN In mark3smle test you can see the .357 penetration at 22 inches. If I carry a rifle in grizzly country, which I do often, I carry a lever action 45-70 for summer horse pack trips, hikes and fishing excursions. So popular, it could wear the title Americas Cartridge.. I do not feel unarmed or not safe as this is about the same energry produced from a 44mag 240gr round. The both have more recoil than the .44 but depending on your size they can be managed. While a 12 ga slug is a much better option, i understand why you might not want to lug it around all day. However, I reload and you do not. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). .45 vs .357 mag vs 10mm auto the us found in their study that 250 45 did the same (45 colt) they found that bullet weight and speed needs to be balanced. A while ago I inquired at the effectiveness of a 357 as a carry gun for black bear because I currently own a Ruger GP 100 and a Rossi lever action in that caliber. The 45 Colt is more romantic, but the 44 Mag. Let's find out. They can handle the longer, heavier loads. Car bodies no longer offered protection to criminals and soon the FBI and other agencies were clamoring for the new guns and powerful rounds to go with them. The BUL Armory Cherokee Compact is a Nice DA/SA Option. is 1.61 and for the 45 Colt, O.A.L. At this point I don't really see a need for the 45 acp load either, personally. I am considering a 357 mag because of that point alone. Just my opinion on these two great cartridges.https://www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221 Stay in the know. June 16, 2019. by LJ Bonham. There is no competition here, .357 Mag is the minimum option, the .45 ACP doesnt even come close. Law enforcement officers, tired of seeing their .38 Special rounds not penetrating car bodies of the day or the criminals behind them, needed something more and after a couple of years of development the .357 Magnum was introduced in 1935 by using the .38-44 as a stopgap. Was carrying my .357 with laser sight grip in a belt holster. Even the New Service revolvers chambered in .45 Colt had to be cut down and had their trigger-guards and hammers trimmed down and in some cases removed altogether. These are still very large handgun. Keep your velocity above 1100 fps and weight at least 240 grains, and 350 to 500 grains is better. Just get a .44mag. The 10mm penetration was around 16 inches. How well will a Colt 45-long colt do against a bear? LBT-LFN (Item 8B) -- 45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo - 405 gr. The first .357 Magnum revolvers from Smith & Wesson were used to hunt deer, elk, moose, tigers, and even walrus, something never heard of with any handgun at that time. The 45 Colt round can be handloaded to beat the 44 mag, but not safe to shoot in every gun. Even though it never served in the military (other than in private hands) the law enforcement community welcomed the .357 and occasionally one can still be seen on the job today, usually by someone close to retirement. All Rights Reserved, The .357 Magnum vs. the .45 Colt: Quick and low, big and slow. who ever said handguns are worthless against ANY animal? If the .45 Colt was born to be big and slow (for maximum effect on organic targets), the .357 Magnum was, at least in terms of ballistic philosophy, intended to be the exact opposite. Two seperate shops have recomended a 45 Colt over a 357 Mag to me for a hunting/shooting gun. I read an opinion that the 10mm Glock was the best gun to carry in bear country. Ive chronod their 45+P 230 gr hollow points at 915FPS, which isnt that hot, and can be easily repeated with handloads. Its performance is going to vary allot depending on the gun and what you feed it. Those are both good handgun hunting rounds. The price, variety and availability of 357 ammo is much better than 45 Colt. Great article in the most recent American Hunter about the .45 LC (with the Ruger-only) loads for big game vs. the .357. Mar 23, 2015 #21 They both represented major changes in the world of handguns, been declared dead more times than Keith Richards and still boast dedicated groups of followers. So, which of these granddaddies of the handgun world meant more to it than the other? After the 357 Magnum test, a number of readers noted that the hard-cast heavy-weight load from one maker, Buffalo Bore, would have performed better than "At least with a gun that big, if you miss and hit the rocks in front of him it'll stone him to death". The only area where a revolver chambered for .45 Colt never seemed venture into was the realm of true concealed carry. Many other have gone down this road before us and will say the same. Close up with the right bullet, a whitetail deer will certainly fall to one. I'd like to trade for or buy a bisley blackhawk or vaquero since I like the grip frame better for heavier loads and it seems more comfortable to shoot. I load it with one of the following Buffalo Bore items: (Item 8A) -- 45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo - 430 gr. The round itself is a good one, but handloading is really necessary to bring out the beast, and in the single action copies of the Colt SAA, loads will have to be kept to the lower end of the spectrum while the Ruger revolvers can take a heck of a lot more. I was thinking of a Taurus tracker with factory loads. So, I'm thinking that I will end up with the 357 mag. Plus, you can shoot cheap target 38 spl ammo from a 357. For the 44 Mag, O.A.L. There was little point in doing the same with the 45 Colt here; we wished to test only the high-penetration loads. Even a bigger caliber if you can handle the The .357 Magnum though has done it all; it has a stellar record when used for personal defense even though todays factory ammunition is a lot slower than the original fodder from 1935. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Being able to shoot either accurately is more important. The real diameter of the 45 Colt is .45 inches, which is similar to its name. Thread starter john james; Start date Mar 22, 2015; Prev. BUL Armorys Cherokee and Cherokee Compact offer double-action, single-action pistols that eat recoil and provided 17+1 rounds of 9mm on tap. As the technology got better, the revolvers chambering the .357 got smaller, first with the Smith & Wesson K-frames which became very popular in law enforcement and for concealed carry those who were brave enough could buy a tiny snub nosed revolver chambered in the first Magnum cartridge, still an option today, although the blast and recoil can be intimidating to some. So, IF a semi-auto HAD to be listed, then I would go with the .45 ACP Super handgun. Though newer, more advanced cartridges came and went, the .45 Colt still hung on for years with offerings in both single and double action revolver from Smith & Wesson, Colt, and Ruger. Glock 17: Are Full-Size Carry Guns Too Big? I personally go with the biggest handgun I can accurately shot and practice with. The nice thing about a .454 Casull is that you can shoot .45 Long Colt rounds out of it for practice if you don't reload. No need to buy special ammo and can use the 44 special's for plinking. The standard factory stuff for either the 357 or the 45colt will be way underpowered for bear protection. Any box of 45 Colt is gonna be about $40 for 50. The new Burris Signature HD in 2-10x40 is a great optic for hunters looking for a lower power scope with quality glass and a wide field of view for hunting anything from dangerous game to backwoods deer. By the way, Remington (yellow box) produces a reduced load in .44 mag. Each of these two rounds bring a lot to the table, and I have owned and shot several guns chambered for both, but the .357 Magnum is a bit more versatile, and can be used for pretty much everything from small game to big game to personal defense and concealed carry much easier than anything in 45 Colt. I'm in the same boat you are in. 45-70. JavaScript is disabled. 45 colt vs 357 mag for bear. Their .357 158gr however came in at 1550 FPS, showing 840ft lbs energy, twice what that 45 did, far exceeding any handload listed in any manual. When it comes to hunting, the .45 Colt is a very short range proposition, certainly one hundred yards or less because even in a Ruger it does not have the ballistics for long range. The advantage of the .357 is cheaper ammo and lower recoil. Most think the big revolvers are the way to go. I live and work in bear country, and such would advise you carry both bear spray and a gun. He did die. He has killed around 100 black bears with a 44 mag and he advises 240 JHP is the round of choice for the task. I'd probably go with the balckhawk, since it has adjustable sights. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. The .45 ACP pistol cartridge is popular in the United States. The .45 Colt was a tried and true manstopper and can still be today, but only if you want a big revolver. Glock 17s are iconic, battle-proven pistols, but how do they hold up as concealed carry and EDC guns. The only thing I have come close to in a big caliber is a Ruger Alaskan, but they are a bit big for me in both size and price. A 357 would definitely be easier to carry, but I would go with a 44 mag. A 357 would definitely be easier to carry, but I would go with a 44 mag. Also, this caliber is better for longer range than a .45ACP..45 ACP users are mostly EDC personal defense carriers and those that love the big bores. In a modern firearm it can be loaded up to .44 magnum energy levels and the bullets are heavier. 09-19-2019, 10:05 PM #42 I read that several times as well. The 10mm is a newcomer in the hunting world, but has become a big player in the market for bear hunters or anyone needing extra power. 357 mags will kill a bear, but I would not ever ever ever do it again (unless that was my only resort). Long Range, Budget Price: The Burris Signature HD. Joined Sep 9, 2006 Messages 14,372 Reaction score 270 Points 83 Location Safely behind the Orange Curtain. Most guns chambered for it are the single action variety, either a Colt or one of its copies or a Ruger. is 1.6. Its small 158 grain bullet was traveling at 1,500 fps, something never dreamt of before. The.45 ACP cannot be relied on to bring down medium sized game animals like deer where as the.357 Magnum (with the right bullets and load) is a Not an easy task when you adrenalin is rushing through your body. Mine is a 4 inch 500 Mag. Anyone traversing bear country would be well advised to choose a 44 Mag over a 357 Mag. However, the rim of 45 Colt has the same length as 44 Mag, which is 1.285. 45 Colt has so much variability due to do many people loading it well over SAAMI MAP for guns that can take it. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of There are many other standard dimensions for both, but the O.A.L. Three years on,could it now be the best Glock ever made? you have to remember that long before .45 acp, .40, .44 mag, .357, 30-06, 308, 270etc, there was nothing but the colt .45 peacemaker and it did its share of killing anything on the north American continent. I'm looking for a good pack gun. About caliber: I have shot one black bear with a 357 mag. But for the 357 Mag and 45 L/C, I would go with the 45 L/C and a head shot is the quickest way to dispatch a full on charge. Jan 24, 2007. brass. The standard factory stuff for either the 357 or the 45colt will be way underpowered for bear protection. 357 Mag loaded near SAAMI MAP is really hard on unprotected ears. Go. Its not a matter of how well the .45 Colt will do against a bear, its more a matter of how well with the person do against a bear with the Colt. What would be better, a revolver in .357 mag or .45 Colt. Believe me, There is nothing like going around the bend of. For example someone that lives in Alaska will probably go with a .44 Magnum, but someone in Michigan would use a Ruger GP100 .357. The 45 Colt loaded to it's potential in modern revolvers is a great hunting/bear load. jeager106- I have a Ruger Old Model Vaquero that has a beefier and longer cylinder than the new ones. Traditionally, the .357 magnum has a long track record of a mini-hand cannon for personal defense. I have a 357 Mag Ruger Service Six, SA/DA with a four inch barrell and when I carry it in the woods I load it with Buffalo Bore's 180gr 1400fps and 783lbs of energy. The 44 mag has proven itself to be potent BLACK bear medicine with 240 JHP. When it comes to hunting, the .357 Magnum has taken a backseat to the bigger rounds like the .44 Magnum and larger, but it can still hold its own on deer and the like in both handgun and rifle form as long as the right bullets are used. You can also look at the .480 Ruger to go along with those other two rounds. The Ruger revolvers took the .45 Colt into new territory allowing, the round to rub elbows with the .44 Magnum. There are some double action revolvers like the Taurus Judge and Smith & Wesson Governor but they are big and bulky and are relying more on their ability to fire .410 shells than .45 Colt. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Also, the .45 Super has just as much, and even more power than the 10mm listed here. Around here you can buy a 100 round box of 38spl FMJ or wadcutters for about $35. Will it be lighter and faster or bigger and slower? Self Defense and Concealed Carry Handguns, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. While there are few double action revolvers chambered in the .45 Colt, there are dozens in .357 all the way up to the big Smith & Wesson N-frames to the tiny snub nosed revolvers, ideal for every day concealed carry. Though the 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 475 Linebaugh/480 Ruger and the new 460 and 50 S&W Magnums are all good choices if you require something that can be worn in a holster. A blackhawk would do the same. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? We put this tank of a pistol to the test through a snowy winter and beyond. Hunting big game with a handgun is a whole different skill set. Definitely the 45 for bear. I'd go with my Ruger single action and a hot loaded .45 LC from Garrett or Buffalo Bore. is more practical, popular, powerful, etc. I would probably go with the .357 if it's 6" or more, just on the fact you could get some really hot loads for it that might give better ballistics than the .45, but in either case, PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE until you can make a head shot between the eyesneither I'm afraid will be much good at the ranges you will be shooting a bear in an emergency if you shoot him in the body.they will KILL him, however from the Taurus reviews on the forum describing lack of quality perhaps I would be luckier playing the slot machines rather than gambling on getting a decent quality Taurus gun. 45 was a 5" barrel, 357 So which of these two cartridges rules the roost? And one specific difference from 44 Mag. Still the .45 Colt is no slouch, but in this gun writers humble opinion, it is just not quite as good as the little .357. See JJ Hacks posts on the subject in the archives of this forum. The Durability Difference. And if you just want to deal as much damage as you can you know, for fun or live out your Dirty Harry fantasies, then the answer to the 357 Magnum vs 44 Magnum is the latter. The round became an instant hit, but not just with law enforcement although it certainly found a home there. of a loaded cartridge is the one that matters to us most. 10mm vs .357 Magnum for Bear Protection in Alaska 44 Magnum Desert Eagle L6 Ballistics Test with Underwood XP and 180gr JHP Review 9mm vs. 40 S&W vs. 357 Sig vs. 45 Auto vs 10mm Liberty Ammunition Short Barrel Ballistics Gel Test
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